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Post by Sister Ray on Sept 21, 2014 20:02:38 GMT
Cool. Tell us about Sister Ray then...save me doing all the typing! Well it wasn't on the first Velvet Underground album was it so the first time I picked up on it was the Joy Division cover on their live album Still, JD used to do it and that opened the door for me to a few post punk influences from NYC.
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Post by ianindependent on Sept 21, 2014 20:03:13 GMT
Also...
There are some people who were ahead of there time. Patti Smith is one of them. I've been playing Horses recently and just can't imagine were that fit in anywhere in 1975. It was obviously pre-punk because of the date but was one of those influences that helped Punk to happen
Was Piss factory released as a B side ... perhaps to 'Because The Night' but it was on a single I borrowed and recorded onto a C90 tape.
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Post by richc6 on Sept 21, 2014 20:05:01 GMT
Ah yeah completely forgot about JD doing it. Interesting how we get to pick up links to the same song via totally different routes. I had a hippy mate who played me VU albums, The Doors, Zappa etc before anyone else seemed aware of it round these parts. Some stuck. But not Zappa!
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Post by richc6 on Sept 21, 2014 20:06:13 GMT
Also... There are some people who were ahead of there time. Patti Smith is one of them. I've been playing Horses recently and just can't imagine were that fit in anywhere in 1975. It was obviously pre-punk because of the date but was one of those influences that helped Punk to happen Was Piss factory released as a B side ... perhaps to 'Because The Night' but it was on a single I borrowed and recorded onto a C90 tape. It was the b-side of Hey Joe, her first single. Pretty rare, whoever had that, you shoulda knicked it!
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Post by rebelliousian on Sept 21, 2014 20:12:38 GMT
Kid creole was a Major player in post punk. Light pop but certainly worthy because of that. Listen to something like 'Table manners' off the first album and it's just so unpretentious and fresh, funny but cool, in a uncool way.
So, how about (sorry does that sound like a Savillism), after this thread has got me thinking again we consider playing Coati Mundi, James Chance (for tom to get into) and also Patti Smith at RJ#13. If we get a backlash o this statement it's not going o happen and if Dave says no it's not going to happen but I think they are things we should be playing. How say you?
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Post by richc6 on Sept 21, 2014 20:14:29 GMT
Yeah some more Noo Yawk works for me.
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Post by rebelliousian on Sept 21, 2014 20:16:32 GMT
It was the b-side of Hey Joe, her first single. Pretty rare, whoever had that, you shoulda knicked it! I think I did but then took it to John Sheridan's and sold with about 200 7 inchers for 20 quid. Probably bought 'Easter' 'LAMF' and 'Darkness On The Edge Of Town' with the money.
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Post by rebelliousian on Sept 21, 2014 20:19:35 GMT
Ah yeah completely forgot about JD doing it. Interesting how we get to pick up links to the same song via totally different routes. I had a hippy mate who played me VU albums, The Doors, Zappa etc before anyone else seemed aware of it round these parts. Some stuck. But not Zappa! A guy at work used to lend me Zappa but also Brand X, Weather Report, Phil Manzanera's 801 albums but also 'Berlin' and 'No Pussyfooting'. I still like 'Berlin' and surprisingly a lot of Zappa.
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Post by Sister Ray on Sept 21, 2014 20:20:16 GMT
Ah yeah completely forgot about JD doing it. Interesting how we get to pick up links to the same song via totally different routes. I had a hippy mate who played me VU albums, The Doors, Zappa etc before anyone else seemed aware of it round these parts. Some stuck. But not Zappa! Same here, older rocker types used to put The Doors on in my local, and one tried to push Zappa on to me but I completely rejected it, my route to the Velvet Underground was JD and Paul Morley writing about them in the NME, don't think Peel played them? So much self education in those distant pre google days eh?
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Post by richc6 on Sept 21, 2014 20:25:41 GMT
No I don't recall Peel particularly playing VU. It was an odd time just before punk. 74/75. At the time I was moving from loving Slade, T Rex, Sweet etc into investigating heavier/proggier stuff, little of which I have any time for now despite revisiting a few times over the years. Sold most of it in 77. Wise move I think, but bound to be some slipped under the radar. Always loved Steely Dan though and still do. Don't tell anyone.
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Post by rebelliousian on Sept 21, 2014 20:27:23 GMT
Don't you think there is a lot a similarities between Zappa and the doors. At their best they are original and inventive but at there worst there's a lot of noodling going on.
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Post by richc6 on Sept 21, 2014 20:29:37 GMT
Can't recall that much Zappa now. Love about the first 3 Doors albums and LA Woman. Think Zappa won on noodling though!
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Post by rebelliousian on Sept 21, 2014 20:50:19 GMT
'Apostrophe', 'Hot Rats' and 'Over-Nite Sensation' by Zappa I really liked and 'Freak Out' and We're only in it for the Money' are supposed to be good. I don't think I really like any Doors album. I don't ever seem to play the right through nd have a live one that is really atrocious. Having said that Zappa wins on the noodling / Boring scale because he has recored some really dreadful albums. However, I tend to think he is the Michael Caine of music and like Neil Young he makes so many albums that there are so many that aren't worth the listeners time but if you comile a top five they are all really good.
I do have a theory where fter a band or artist has made three albums they have to ask for special dispensation to make more (I don't know who they'd apply to for this - Me!) or break up and not record for another 5 years at least. I think most bands, even those averagely good, only have three albums in them.
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Post by richc6 on Sept 21, 2014 20:59:51 GMT
Yeah let's do "great 5th albums" thread. No, let's not!
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Post by rebelliousderek on Sept 22, 2014 11:25:07 GMT
Signed up now, had to moonlight as Sister Ray last night.
Yes really interested in the New York music scene. From the Velvet Underground and Lou Reed through the mid 70’s around CBGB’s and how Malcolm McLaren went over to manage the New York Dolls and took those ideas back to London in 75. Punk was a tale of two cities. We went to New York for the first time last year and did a walk around the old venues. If you start in Union Square near the flat iron building you can see the Decker Building opposite where Andy Warhol based his factory with the Velvet Underground. So ahead of their time, astonishing to listen to their first album and think it was recorded as far back as 1966. There is a deli just round the corner on Park Avenue that was Max’s Kansas City back in the day. Everyone goes to find CBGB’s but this venue was the hang out where Bowie drank with Lou Reed and Iggy Pop and Debbie Harry was the waitress! We found CBGB’s on the Bowery, now a shop but still has the distinctive old canopy, home to Television, Ramones, Patti Smith, Talking Heads and Blondie from 1974! the list is endless, Devo, B52’s, Cramps. Saw the legendary old CBGB toilets in an exhibition in the Met, now preserved and considered a work of art! One day our own Adelphi toilets should be exhibited in the Ferens, one man and his bog!!!! Its worth taking a walk on the wild side from CBGB to the lower east side, lovely old atmospheric brownstone tenements and some record shops and venues like the Mercury Lounge/Luna Lounge where the Strokes and Interpol started. Iconic city.
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